{"id":125,"date":"2006-02-21T12:27:11","date_gmt":"2006-02-21T12:27:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mindbody.com.np\/welcome\/index-3\/meeting-2\/"},"modified":"2021-03-21T11:46:50","modified_gmt":"2021-03-21T11:46:50","slug":"meeting-2","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/mindbody.com.np\/center\/k-world\/index-3\/meeting-2\/","title":{"rendered":"My First Impression of K &#8211; Meetings, anecdotes and inspirations with J Krishnamurti"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><body background=\"..\/images\/netbkgnd.gif\">&#13;<\/p>\n<table cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\" bordercolorlight=\"#000000\" border=\"0\">&#13;<\/p>\n<tbody>&#13;<\/p>\n<tr>&#13;<\/p>\n<td style=\"border-bottom: #000000 1px solid;\" align=\"center\">&#13;<br \/>\n<!--webbot bot=\"Include\" U-Include=\"..\/header.html\" TAG=\"BODY\" startspan -->&#13;<\/p>\n<table width=\"100%\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" height=\"10\">&#13;<\/p>\n<tr>&#13;<\/p>\n<td width=\"10%\">&#13;<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">&#13;<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.thequest.org.np\/k\">Home<\/a><\/font>&#13;\n<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<td width=\"10%\">&#13;<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">&#13;<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"..\/news.html\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">News<\/a><\/font>&#13;\n<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<p>&#13;<br \/>\n&#13;<\/p>\n<td width=\"11%\">&#13;<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">&#13;<br \/>\n<font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><a href=\"..\/intro.html\">K Intro<\/a><\/font>&#13;\n<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<td width=\"13%\">&#13;<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">&#13;<br \/>\n<font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><a href=\"..\/themes.html\">K Themes<\/a><\/font><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<td width=\"19%\">&#13;<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">&#13;<br \/>\n<font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><a href=\"..\/inspired.html\">K Inspired Works<\/a><\/font>&#13;\n<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<td width=\"12%\">&#13;<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">&#13;<br \/>\n<font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\"><a href=\".\/\">K &amp; More<\/a><\/font>&#13;\n<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<td width=\"12%\">&#13;<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\" face=\"Arial\">&#13;<br \/>\n<a href=\"mailto:vajratara@yahoo.com?subject=Feedback: KRF\">Feedback<\/a><\/font><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<td width=\"12%\">&#13;<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\" face=\"Arial\">&#13;<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.thequest.org.np\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Quest<\/a><\/font>&#13;\n<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<p>&#13;<br \/>\n<\/tr>\n<p>&#13;<br \/>\n<\/table>\n<p>&#13;<br \/>\n<!--webbot bot=\"Include\" endspan i-checksum=\"16697\" -->&#13;<\/p>\n<hr\/>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<tr>&#13;<\/p>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border-left: 1px solid #800000; border-right: 1px solid #800000; border-bottom: 1px solid #800000; ; border-top-color:#800000\" bgcolor=\"#800000\" height=\"24\">&#13;<\/p>\n<p align=\"left\" style=\"margin-left: 12pt\"><font face=\"Arial Black\" color=\"#ffffff\" size=\"3\"><b>&#13;<br \/>\n    M<span style=\"FONT-VARIANT: small-caps\">eeting <\/span>K<\/b><\/font><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<p>&#13;<br \/>\n  <\/tr>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<tr>&#13;<\/p>\n<td style=\"border-bottom: black 1px solid;\" valign=\"middle\" width=\"100%\">&#13;<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" style=\"margin-left: 12; margin-right: 12; margin-top:24\">&#13;<br \/>\n<strong><i><font face=\"Times New Roman\" color=\"#008080\">Readers are requested to &#13;<br \/>\nsend us their personal meetings, experiences and inspirations with K.<\/font><\/i><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" style=\"margin-left: 12; margin-right: 12; margin-top:24\">&#13;<br \/>\n<b>&#13;<br \/>\n<font face=\"Times New Roman\" color=\"#800000\" size=\"5\">My First Impression of K<\/font><\/b><font face=\"Times New Roman\" color=\"#800000\" size=\"2\">\u00a0\u00a0&#13;<br \/>\n<\/font><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"2\">\u00a0 by Pieter Langedijk <\/font>&#13;<br \/>\n<font size=\"2\" face=\"Symbol\">\u00d3 <\/font>&#13;<br \/>\n<font size=\"2\">The Quest<\/font><\/p>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoPlainText\" align=\"justify\" style=\"margin-left: 12; margin-right: 12\">&#13;<br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">When I was a student &#13;<br \/>\nstudying psychology at the university, I became member of\u00a0 a group who practised &#13;<br \/>\nmeditation. In that group I met a man, who<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\"> &#13;<br \/>\nused to <\/span>&#13;<br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">talk about<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">&#13;<br \/>\n<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">Krishnamurti and &#13;<br \/>\ntold me that Krishnamurti was giving talks all over the world<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">&#13;<br \/>\n<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">and that every &#13;<br \/>\nyear he was in Switzerland in the last weeks of July and the first<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">&#13;<br \/>\n<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">week of August. I &#13;<br \/>\nheard there was a camping near the conference tent. I decided to go that place. &#13;<br \/>\nThe camping was next to a small river with clear water and surrounded by &#13;<br \/>\nbeautiful mountains full of trees. Near the camping was a small city of wooden &#13;<br \/>\nhouses with balconies and some small restaurants with nice terraces.\u00a0 There I &#13;<br \/>\nmet many young and old people who also were there for Krishnamurti. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoPlainText\" align=\"justify\" style=\"margin-left: 12; margin-right: 12\">&#13;<br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">The tent in which &#13;<br \/>\nKrishnamurti was giving his lectures looked like a circus tent and it stood on a &#13;<br \/>\nvery quiet place outside the town at the bottom of a mountain. The insides of &#13;<br \/>\nthe tent looked like an amphitheatre. Thousands of people were sitting on chairs &#13;<br \/>\nin a semicircle.\u00a0 In front of those chairs was a platform, which was totally &#13;<br \/>\nempty. The only thing which was there was a simple wooden chair and a microphone &#13;<br \/>\nin front of that chair. The tent held some 2000 or more people. The talks &#13;<br \/>\nstarted exactly at eleven o\u0092clock, but many people came there two hours earlier &#13;<br \/>\nin order to find the best places. Everyone was talking very softly. In front of &#13;<br \/>\nthe first rows many young people were sitting on the grass. People entered the &#13;<br \/>\nbig tent through several entrances of the tent. At about one minute to eleven &#13;<br \/>\nall the people stopped talking and it was absolutely quiet. At exactly eleven o&#8217; &#13;<br \/>\nclock Krishnamurti entered the tent. At that moment he was about 70 years, with &#13;<br \/>\nwhite hair, blue trousers and a\u00a0 light blue shirt. His dress looked as if &#13;<br \/>\neverything was new; the shoes looked very polished. He walked over the grass &#13;<br \/>\ninside the tent, climbed the stairs with three steps to the podium and walked &#13;<br \/>\nover the stage and sat down on the chair.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoPlainText\" align=\"justify\" style=\"margin-left: 12; margin-right: 12\">&#13;<br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">He had no paper in his &#13;<br \/>\nhand. He was sitting on the chair, his hands on his legs<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">&#13;<br \/>\n<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">and looked &#13;<br \/>\ntowards the audience, moving his head from left to the right, and from front to &#13;<br \/>\nthe back as if he was observing every person separately and with great &#13;<br \/>\nattention. Then he started talking, saying something like: &#8216;I would like to &#13;<br \/>\ntalk, as with a friend, about &#8216;thought\u0092 in relation with the past (or feeling; &#13;<br \/>\nintuition, death, communication, relationship, meditation, God, etc)<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">&#13;<br \/>\n<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">He talked for &#13;<br \/>\nexactly one hour. One minute before the hour was over, he took a watch out of &#13;<br \/>\nthe pocket in his shirt, looked at it and finished his sentence. After that &#13;<br \/>\npeople asked him questions for 15-30 minutes. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoPlainText\" align=\"justify\" style=\"margin-left: 12; margin-right: 12\">&#13;<br \/>\n<font face=\"Times New Roman\" color=\"#800000\" size=\"4\"><b>&#13;<br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman Vet\">A totally different &#13;<br \/>\napproach<\/span><\/b><\/font><\/p>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoPlainText\" align=\"justify\" style=\"margin-left: 12; margin-right: 12\">&#13;<br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">I cannot remember what &#13;<br \/>\nhe talked about during the first lecture, but I remember that the second time he &#13;<br \/>\ntalked about &#8216;really listening&#8217;. By this he means that one<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">&#13;<br \/>\n<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">must listen &#13;<br \/>\nwithout prejudice, with an empty mind, without saying\u00a0 &#8220;I agree&#8221;&#8216; or &#8220;I &#13;<br \/>\ndisagree&#8221;, which we normally do. According to him, we must be very sensitive and &#13;<br \/>\ntry to listen &#8216;behind&#8217; the words. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoPlainText\" align=\"justify\" style=\"margin-left: 12; margin-right: 12\">&#13;<br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">I remember that one of &#13;<br \/>\nmy professors also used to talk about communication. He said that the purpose of &#13;<br \/>\nverbal communication is to express in words what one thinks, feels or wants, but &#13;<br \/>\nthat many people, like politicians or parents, use words and language to &#8216;hide&#8217; &#13;<br \/>\nwhat they really think, feel or want. Was K talking about that? <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoPlainText\" align=\"justify\" style=\"margin-left: 12; margin-right: 12\">&#13;<br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">He was talking about &#13;<br \/>\nconditioning \u0096 that we are brainwashed from the very first moment that we are &#13;<br \/>\nborn, with thousands and millions of ideas. These ideas include everything \u0096 &#13;<br \/>\nwhat to believe, what to think, about education, about what is important on this &#13;<br \/>\nearth, such as money, power, sex and what is not important, what to eat and what &#13;<br \/>\nnot to eat, etc. He explained that every culture bas different ideas about all &#13;<br \/>\nthese different things. Through that screen of ideas we look, listen and &#13;<br \/>\ninterpret what we see and experience and select what we think is important and &#13;<br \/>\nwhat is not important, and we call this &#8216;learning&#8217;. K calls this \u0091accumulation &#13;<br \/>\nof second-hand knowledge\u0092, which means that most knowledge is based on what &#13;<br \/>\nother people say and not on our own experience and unconditioned thinking.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoPlainText\" align=\"justify\" style=\"margin-left: 12; margin-right: 12\">&#13;<br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">If someone says &#13;<br \/>\nsomething similar to what l think, (even if it is wrong or partly wrong) then I &#13;<br \/>\nhave the inclination to say \u0093yes, I agree \u0096 that is how I also see it\u0094. When it &#13;<br \/>\nis different, then I say \u0093no, I disagree\u0094 or even \u0093you are crazy,<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">&#13;<br \/>\n<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">stupid, etc\u0094. The &#13;<br \/>\nmore we are conditioned, the quicker we agree or disagree or<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">&#13;<br \/>\n<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">become angry or &#13;<br \/>\neven kill the other. In some authoritarian countries<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">&#13;<br \/>\n<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">one can even be &#13;<br \/>\nkilled when one has a different opinion, for instance about<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">&#13;<br \/>\n<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">religious or &#13;<br \/>\npolitical ideas. One sees this conditioning in most families and in almost every &#13;<br \/>\nschool and workplace.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoPlainText\" align=\"justify\" style=\"margin-left: 12; margin-right: 12\">&#13;<br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">When one studies the &#13;<br \/>\nhistory of humanity, one hears and reads that millions were killed because they &#13;<br \/>\nhad different ideas about God, heaven, the political system, etc. Krishnamurti &#13;<br \/>\nmany times talked about the thousands of wars between the members of different &#13;<br \/>\nreligions, but he is convinced that one can free oneself from all this &#13;<br \/>\nindoctrination and conditioning, but not by following a leader, guru or system. &#13;<br \/>\nThe first step is to see and to become aware of ones&#8217; own conditioning and see &#13;<br \/>\nthat in every aspect of life, in the way we talk, eat, listen, think, feel, what &#13;<br \/>\nwe want, etc.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#13;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoPlainText\" align=\"justify\" style=\"margin-left: 12; margin-right: 12\">&#13;<br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">After the first talk, I &#13;<br \/>\nheard two other talks. The years after that first year I<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">&#13;<br \/>\n<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">went several &#13;<br \/>\ntimes to Saanen. I bought many books of Krishnamurti and became<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">&#13;<br \/>\n<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style=\"font-family: Times New Roman\">more and more &#13;<br \/>\nfascinated by his ideas. It was totally different from what I learned in the &#13;<br \/>\nuniversity. There I had to read many books by heart, not having my own idea &#13;<br \/>\nabout what I read. 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