March 24, 1975 (Huntington Hotel – San Francisco, California)

Krishnamurti: Sorry, I made you wait. I was doing some Hatha Yoga.

Ruben: No problem. Thank you for receiving me again. I would like to discuss
the fact that you are the instructor of the world (or the Second Coming).

Krishnamurti: You worry about the irrelevant.

Ruben: It is relevant for me, because if you are the Instructor of the
World, then I want to be an apostle.

Krishnamurti: There are no more apostles, Dr. Gonzalez. It is of critical
urgency that human beings change radically. They have to detach themselves
from the content of mankind’s consciousness, they have to live without
touching the stream of growing vulgarity and violence. Egocentric activity has
to end, the desire for profit, power and prestige. One needs to learn to live
psychologically alone, that is to be content without depending on anybody or
anything.

Ruben: That they detach themselves from the content of mankind’s
consciousness?… then, how does one live?

Krishnamurti: You don’t become comatose, you don’t enter into a drug or
alcohol induced trance, you don’t live in a state of hypnosis, nor asleep even
while awake. You live in complete attention. Are you aware that observation is
attention?

Ruben: Fundamental action.

Krishnamurti: Observation is action. To observe totally doesn’t mean to be
negligent nor socially indifferent. If you observe totally, each one of your
actions changes in nature. You free yourself from the choking grip of
traditional memory and you also start to think sanely and freely. So there is
total observation and new thought and action.

(We spent a long time in silence)

Ruben: Are you greater than Jesus?

Krishnamurti: Do you want me to say “yes”?

Ruben: Tell me what do you think?

Krishnamurti: Mankind is not the same. In the last 2000 years there have
been three wars every year in the world and there has been a consequent
degradation of human beings, the son of humanity can not be the same.

Ruben: You are talking of the Son of Man (with capital letters) aren’t you?
You are talking of the Greek “uios tou antropon” (the son of man). Aren’t you?

Krishnamurti: The son of humanity is today the son of a degraded mankind.
Then… what do you do?

Ruben: I listen to Krishnamurti.

Krishnamurti: For how long?

Ruben: Until I understand and radical change occurs.

Krishnamurti: Be a light to yourself. Stop procrastination. Throw away the
content of consciousness. There has to be pure consciousness, pure awareness,
pure listening.

Ruben: When I asked you whether I could speak publicly you said, “you
speak”.

Krishnamurti: You speak. “That” is not only for you.

Ruben: Can you tell me more about talking to people about all this?

Krishnamurti: You talk and expect no-thing.

*(long pause, in vital silence)* Krishnamurti had said “no-thing”, he had not
said “nothing”.

Krishnamurti: It’s time for lunch Dr. Gonzalez.

Part 2